A site that tries to give only the facts on a subject without all the self serving crap. You may not like what I say, but that's too bad. It's the truth as I see it.

The hypocrisy of the “Christian right” is astounding. I am still amazed by the Terri Schiavo case, partly because, as I said, I live within blocks of the Hospice where she is at., and I was never a fan of big Government. However, the on camera remarks made by the religious right, coming right out with threats against the Judges in this case, is unreal. Included in this mob is Pat Robertson, who I never had any respect for anyway, but the nasty remarks, name calling, and threats to use their power to have them removed from the bench is appalling.
I have seen scores of people, many with a Bible in hand, or others that are obviously priests and other positions of different faiths. These so-called religious people are walking around with signs that are unbelievable given their position. Things like “pray for Terri, let God take Michael”, and others just as bad. How can we as a society not have a problem with this? Parents have enough trouble getting children into church, but then you see those who call themselves religious, who are nothing more than the hate mongers we try to save our children from, often through church. However, when those who run the church are the ones waving the signs, we as a country are really in trouble. It teaches not only is it ok to hate, and threaten, but to use the cover of religion to do it.

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on Mar 25, 2005
On the other hand, if the Christian right opposed to this ruling are coming out with arguments like “pray for Terri, let God take Michael”, I'm with spinkiller on this one - it's very hard to see how they can claim to be occupying the moral high ground.
on Mar 25, 2005
I have always thought the fanatical religious right was a hate group.

They hate anyone who opposes them, and hide under the guise of "religion" while doing it. This is a tough issue. On one hand you have a husband trying to follow his wife's wishes, and on the other hand you have her family who doesn't want to let her go because they feel that she isn't as bad as the doctors are telling them.

Toss in a few jesus freaks who think they can cash in on the families collective misery, the media, and a state and federal government who are trashing states rights and personal freedoms...And you have the media circus that is going on today.

I feel bad for all parties involved in the Schiavo case. But the religous element involving themselves for the publicity makes me wanna puke.

This whole incident made me review my living will and DNR just to make sure that if i end up in a vegetative state, somebody will have the decency to pull all the plugs and tubes.

on Mar 25, 2005
of course the elft NEVER lies, bends folds put spins on thing, call names, right?
on Mar 25, 2005
elft? Ya can't even spell it right Mod... (kiddin)

I really don't see this as a purely left/right issue. But the extreme religous aspect is coming from that side of the fence. Remember, these jesus nutjobs are now threatening to kill the judge. Where's the "compassion" in that? The judge is following the letter of the law in this case. Should he just usurp the judicial process and cater to these morons?

No! That perverts the sytem of justice. And without law, where would we be?

Politics aside. I think that feelings are mixed on both sides with this issue. I'll bet if you asked some lefties they would side with the Schindlers, and if you asked some righties they would side with Michael Schiavo. This is a personal decision best left to the spouse. I know if i was in Terri's prediciment i would want the person who i chose to spend the rest of my life with to make that decision for me.

How about this...Let's just say for the sake of arguement you ended up in the same predicament as Terri. Would YOU want to be kept alive by artificial means? A feeding tube is an artificial way of powering the body. In some ways, it is different than what we think of as "life support" but in others it fits the description.

In the end, the decision is best left to the immediate family. According to the law Michael Schiavo is the immediate family.

If anything, this case is a glaring reminder that we are not immortal. We will all die someday. We should plan for that eventuality. A living will, care instructions, and a DNR (if chosen) should be on EVERYONES list. If not you might find yourself in Terri's shoes someday.

Would you be willing to put that on your loved ones? I wouldn't.
on Mar 25, 2005

If you're using nasty signs at a protest as proof then perhaps you should take a closer look at left-wing protests sometime.  They're full of violent nasty hate-filled signs.

Therefore, by your argument, liberals are no better than hate groups.

on Mar 25, 2005
Reply By: thatoneguyinslcPosted: Friday, March 25, 2005elft? Ya can't even spell it right Mod... (kiddin)I really don't see this as a purely left/right issue. But the extreme religous aspect is coming from that side of the fence. Remember, these jesus nutjobs are now threatening to kill the judge. Where's the "compassion" in that? The judge is following the letter of the law in this case. Should he just usurp the judicial process and cater to these morons?


i AGREE, threats of death come from zealots and nut jobs.

How about this...Let's just say for the sake of arguement you ended up in the same predicament as Terri. Would YOU want to be kept alive by artificial means? A feeding tube is an artificial way of powering the body. In some ways, it is different than what we think of as "life support" but in others it fits the description.


I have an advanced directive spelling out exactly what I want done... no machine life.. but I hope no one starves me to death.
In the end, the decision is best left to the immediate family. According to the law Michael Schiavo is the immediate family.


He has moved on and should allow the parents to speak for terry, thats just how I feel though.
on Mar 25, 2005
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Friday, March 25, 2005If you're using nasty signs at a protest as proof then perhaps you should take a closer look at left-wing protests sometime. They're full of violent nasty hate-filled signs.Therefore, by your argument, liberals are no better than hate groups


brad makes a good point there.
on Mar 25, 2005
Yep.. I agree with Brad. Anyone who pulls that kind of crap is what i would consider a "hate group" But i have to disagree with his classification of "Liberals". It's almost as if he thinks everybody with liberal leanings is hoping for Teri to die. That's just not the case. And a bad generalization to boot.

It's just that the extreme religious right is the forerunner and leading practitioners of intimidation/scare tactics to get their way. They are up for whacking anyone who opposes them. For the record. I think it should be said that not all those on the right who are supporting the Schindlers fit this title. In fact most of them are behaving in a sane and rational manner.

I guess its another case of "he who screams the loudest gets the most attention". Thanks to FOX, CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the hoard it's just that much easier to get noticed.

I can't help but wonder how some of them would react if Terri was one of their family members though.
on Mar 25, 2005
Since hating whole groups of people seems to be your forte, apparently we can count you among those you hate. ;~D
on Mar 25, 2005

Yep.. I agree with Brad. Anyone who pulls that kind of crap is what i would consider a "hate group" But i have to disagree with his classification of "Liberals". It's almost as if he thinks everybody with liberal leanings is hoping for Teri to die. That's just not the case. And a bad generalization to boot.

I agree. I was just being analogous to painting the "Christian Right" as a hate group simply because one person in a protest or something held a sign that God should take the woman's husband instead.   If we're to tar the entire "Christian Right" as a hate group because some guy has a mean sign then liberals, who are much more likely to be holding up hate-filled signs in their protests (in my experience) can be tarred too.

That's the problem with over-generalizations.

on Mar 25, 2005
Thanks for the clarification Brad.

Ted? was that directed at me or the author?
on Mar 25, 2005
Ted? was that directed at me or the author?


All statements, not specifically directed at (or quote included by) someone else, is directed at the owner of the blog.

SLC, we may disagree on more than a few things, but I haven't seen much from you that would make me think of you as "a hater". As far as your post, again I disagree with some of it, but you do a great job in being specific about who you consider "haters", not just blanket statements like "The religious right are no better than hate groups".
on Mar 25, 2005
Ted,

Cool. I thought that's what you meant, but i figured i should ask.

Helix?

Re-read my posts in this thread, and you will see that is my point. I use the extreme religious right in my arguements because they inserted themselves there. There are better ways to make your points than threatening to kill judges, Michael Shiavo, and trying to intimidate the general public at large.
on Mar 25, 2005
The entire videotape that has been running ad nausem, is actually 40 minutes long. Only about 10 seconds have been aired. Why? Because it shows what only appears to be Terri responding to her mother?
on Mar 25, 2005
AGREE, threats of death come from zealots and nut jobs.


Same thing.
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